Exploring Tensions Within

The notion that something like pain can be here to serve a purpose, to be a messenger, to actually help us grow, is something that I have grappled with and so many of my clients grapple with. After all, how can something so painful actually be here to help us, and why on earth is that the form it comes in right? And yet, time and time again, this proves to be true over and over, both at personal, micro levels and at worldwide macro levels. Now I want to come in with a distinction here. I think often this type of belief can start to take on that like karma, like you did something to deserve this, like you brought this on and it's got to teach you a lesson from like the picture and angry data, like I'm going to come here and teach you a lesson for drawing on the walls. I don't take it to mean that at all, and, in fact, abandoning that type of mindset around it has been incredibly transformative and is one that I share with my clients a lot, and so I wanted to introduce it today on this podcast, because I think it's so important when you can see that pain is here to bring a lesson. But it's not out of karma, it's not out of spite, it's not out of something you did wrong, especially if that's not something that has been serving you or that's something where you have really felt conflicted or caught up in it, and it acts as a more of a resistance to exploring pain versus supporting it right Now. The cool thing is about thoughts and beliefs like this is you get to choose the one that serves you, that supports you, that strengthens you, and one of my beliefs that I have held for a long time is that from pain, from suffering, growth gets to occur, that we get to choose growth, and simply because what's the other choice? Suffer more, shrink, weaken from it, those never felt supportive to me. Nor did it feel supportive to think that, oh, I did something to bring this upon myself or I did something bad, whether it is in this lifetime or another lifetime, and now I'm paying for it Like I don't think again. It's that type of lesson To me. It is that we are actively choosing to continue to live, to continue to choose life, even in the face of adversity, of pain, of suffering, and when we do that, we will naturally learn and grow. 

I think this can be true on a micro level, on a personal level and also on a macro level. So after October 7th happened and if you don't know what that means, that is, when Hamas massacred over 1400 innocent people, most of which were Jews or Israelis it really challenged me to revisit this belief and figure out how do I make sense of this in terms of my own life, because, ultimately, that's what we're here to live is our own lives. At a practical level, it became very clear that there's really not much that I can do to go and help those in need, other than reach out to people I know in Israel, other than to reach out to my Jewish friends who are struggling with this just as much as I am. There's only so much I can do. So for me, it became about how do I take this global because I think it is global catastrophe, atrocity, massive suffering and grow from it, because the other choice I had was to allow it to consume and shrink me. And I was saying this to someone and this is really what inspired this and they kind of looked at me like I was a little nuts of like how are you taking this thing? And like using it in this way? That is kind of twisted. I guess they thought it was twisted. 

I think it does seem a little weird to take the suffering of others and be like, how can I use this to grow? And I guess maybe that is weird, but what's the other option? Use it for me to suffer, use it for me to live in more fear, use it for me to disconnect from my family, use it for me to suck joy out of my own life and family. That doesn't help anybody. That does not help those who are suffering right now, anybody who is suffering right now. 

What's so interesting for me about this is this choosing life, choosing joy, choosing growth when there has been or is suffering has been a theme that I have been personally visiting and doing deep internal work on for years. So, in a weird way, when this happened, it became a chance to be, to really see the effect of all the work I have done, to see that, wow, now I can take everything I have been working on to say how do I choose life, enjoy and ease, even with all the suffering that is currently happening. Because what is the other option and this is a question I come back to constantly and probably have said it before is what's the alternative? And for me, the alternative is to completely fall apart and be paralyzed, and please do not get me wrong, I've had lots of moments of that over the past three weeks. Those are there too. And then is the choice, over and over again, to come back to what I'm talking about here today Choosing growth, choosing life, choosing to turn our pain into power, into strength, into something that ultimately strengthens us and not weakens us. 

There is a reason my group program is called pain to power, because I truly believe that pain can serve to transform if we choose that path and if we intentionally choose to allow it. Otherwise, it consumes us, it sucks us down and we get into the vicious cycle of pain that shrinks our life. But there's always the choice to use our pain to expand us, to grow from Now. I want to also bring in, before I really get into what I really want to speak about today and what I feel like is the lesson that I am seeing that will allow for growth on a global, like collective level, because I very much I'm gonna wanna speak on that I wanna first just bring in nuance. 

I think often, when we hear strength and use pain to strengthen us and pain to power and things like that in the face of a culture that is a hustle culture, that is a go go go culture, that has very much been a pull yourself up by the bootstraps culture and has not allowed for a rest and feeling and emotions. It can feel almost like a personal attack to do that. It can feel so like how could I possibly choose that when I am falling apart, when I am in a freeze, when I am so exhausted? So here's the thing is what I wanna specify is that to me and the way I have my whole self integration method set up, which is why it is so important to have whole self integration, and that's something I teach within the pain to power program. I walk you through the four steps and really how to use them on a very, very deep level to for this exact thing I'm about to talk about is that part of using pain to strengthen you is always going to involve the rest, the recovery and the feeling of it all, because that is our whole self. 

It is when we feel it all, is when we take the times to first fall apart, like I have taken many times to fall apart, and it's a continual process. It is from that, after we have allowed it all to be released, or whatever we have capacity for to be released, because we usually don't release it all at once. It's like, as we do, that it is that from that place. Then we choose the next step and we can choose that path of now how can I use this to strengthen me? Often we can only make that choice after we've released a lot of the emotional intensity. So I just wanna put that out there because I'm not gonna bring in that nuance over and over again. But it is in to use pain to strengthen, you require yours, the stepping back and the feeling of it all, otherwise you will crash and burn. 

Okay, so now that we've really established how can we use pain to strengthen us, I wanna talk about something that is at a collective level that whether or not you are someone who the situation in Israel feels, whether you feel affected by it or not, is totally irrelevant. So I might bring in the little elements of that, just because it's where it's shown up. But this applies to everybody. I'm sure everybody can relate to it on some way. And what I have seen over and over and over from conversations, from news reporting, from articles and this is a theme that has been a theme. I have talked about it before on this podcast and none of it is new. All of this has just cemented in the importance of what I believe to be one of the most crucial things we can all do as humans If we want to grow, if we wanna thrive in this world and if we wanna create a world that has more peace, more love, more joy, more ease, more ability to just be your full, authentic self and for everybody to be accepting of everyone being their full, authentic self. 

What we need is an increased tolerance to be with discomfort. What I am seeing more and more and more and again. This has been a theme over the last few years and this is really something again that I wanna say. I've been in this for almost 12 years now and I started out very early on with this type of work and going deep with people, and in the past five years or so, this has been something that has been so rapidly declining in people's tolerance and ability levels. I mean, it was always there, but it's just. Maybe it's just where I hang out, but it is so much more apparent and it's something that I noticed in myself Again. 

It's that inability to be with discomfort, especially when it comes to holding two or more truths that feel conflicting. This is something that is so massively crucial for humanity for thriving, for growing, for healing, for connection, for abundance, for literally every positive thing you could possibly want. It is crucial to be able to hold multiple opposing truths at once in our system and stop. If you cannot do that and when I say you, I'm talking at the collective you and including myself here if you cannot do that, what happens instead is we go into resistance and we go into denial, and it's like sticking our head in the sand of like a if I just don't look, it won't be there and I will not have to face it, and that might feel good temporarily and it will always backfire in the long run. 

Now I see this at the most basic level with pain period. Anyone who has chronic pain has probably been in a place where they have kind of been in denial about it, and there's no judgment of this, by the way, absolutely no judgment about it. That's where you like are just pushing through. Well, maybe if I just ignore it, maybe if I just keep going, maybe if I don't look, maybe if I don't stop and pay attention to it, it will just go away. Right, we've all done it. We all do it because it is a human thing to do. 

And while it is a human thing to do, there are a lot of human things that we do that do not support our thriving, and I think this is again like number one hard truth to hold or feels like an opposing truth. A paradox is that I am fully of the belief that we should be listening to our bodies, and a lot of our human instincts are not gonna support our thriving. Those feels so conflicting, right Like what you told me to listen to my body, but yet my body's telling me to do this thing that is so not supportive of me, right Like, how do those two work at once? And so we wanna find which one is true. Well, which one is it? It's both. You will endlessly be searching because it's both. I believe your authentic wisdom, when you are connecting to yourself at a very true essence of your being level, is going to hold a truth that you always do want to follow and listen to. 

But our bodies are not gonna support our thriving. Our bodies on a nervous system, primitive level, when our fight or flight mode is activated, when our amygdala, that primitive part of our brain, is activated, what our body directs us to do from that is likely not gonna be supportive for thriving. It's very supportive for surviving. So you want to listen to that part. When you're being chased by a bear, when you're walking down a dark alley, when you just have that gut feeling of like, oh, something's not right and you're just letting your body take over, that is when you wanna listen to it. So sometimes you do wanna listen to it. On a day to day level, though, you usually don't wanna listen to it. It's the reality, and we'll get so much nuance, though, around that of like, yeah, but you don't just shove it aside, because that just makes it yell louder, right? So you do actually wanna listen to it temporarily, just to have it be heard and to hold it and then to choose the more thriving path. Right, they feel it just so. It feels so, like it can. It can feel so opposing and creates this massive tension in our nervous system. And is that feeling that we don't like that? We wanna do everything to avoid that discomfort that comes when there are two truths at once. 

So, bringing in the Israel-Palestine situation and I am absolutely not bringing in all the possible nuance here. So I would like to make that very clear. This is another thing that people expect is like wow, in one social media post you somehow should be able to capture the entirety of the complexity of the argument. Fuck, no, that's not possible. So I am bringing in an example of this and so I'm going to be very clear around this. As I'm bringing in an example, I am not bringing in all the complexities, because it would be a six-hour-long podcast and it would get away from my point here, but I am bringing it in for this situation because I think it is crucial. Both sides and I hate even saying the fact that there are sides here, because I think we should all be on the side of humanity, but there are sides here, right? I mean, that's what we're seeing on social media Having incredible difficulty holding two truths at once, and again, I am so massively not doing either side justice right now, bringing in all the complexities because this is so much more than two truths For Jews and Israelis right now. 

There has been a massive, massive, atrocious, horrific terror event that has occurred. There is so much grieving that needs to happen from it. There is so much trauma that has been inflicted on innocent civilians and stop. It was committed by a terrorist organization whose goal is to eradicate and commit genocide of Jews worldwide and to make sure Israel as a state never exists. Those two things are true. There is no denial of any of those. Yet you are seeing so much denial of both of them and again, I'm not here to convince you of both of these things. They're both true. Like go look up the Hamas Charter. You can see what their goal is and go talk to anybody in Israel, and they've all lost family and friends and loved ones, and I mean people were murdered that were innocent. That is true as well. Like, there's no denial of either of those. And if you are in denial of either of those, again this just speaks to this issue. 

Now, again, I'm bringing in this issue just to prove the point. Please know, again, this has such a global, significant level, but this issue is near and dear to my heart and so I will speak about it. And I wanna speak to you where now, both sides now are coming into conflict and wanting to argue because these truths don't fit their narratives that they held, and that's where people cannot be with this cognitive dissonance that occurs, this multiple truths that happen. And so then on the Palestinian side, you have people who are living in horrible conditions, who are incredibly poor, incredibly impoverished, don't have access to equal rights to healthcare, to food, to water, all of these things. That is also true and, again, without getting into nuance here, because and it's very hard for me to do, I'm trying really hard not to get into it Somehow for those who have been fighting for Palestinian rights, which I feel like that you should be fighting, for people having human rights absolutely when, then, hamas, which is the government of Palestine, goes out and commits brutal murder and terrorism, it somehow feels conflicting to the fact that there are also Palestinians who are innocent and are suffering, when it's not. 

Both are true and, by the way, the reason they live in those conditions are mainly because of Hamas, because they are their government and the government's job is to take care of people. See, I'm not leaving out certain opinions here because it's ridiculous that people can't see this, but it feels somehow conflicting that somebody who they thought they were supporting could commit something so atrocious, when, again, when you know who Hamas is, it's not surprising at all, so it's not hard to hold both of those truths, but when that happens, when that hits the body, it creates such a tension, such a cognitive dissonance that, on a physiological level, lights up our fight or flight system, lights up our nervous system and creates such an uncomfortable feeling that we want it to go away. We don't want it to be here. It's like go away. Uncomfortable feeling. I don't like you. 

So naturally, as humans, we want to move away from something that's uncomfortable, and one of the best ways to do that is to ignore truths, is to not figure out how to hold two truths at once is to just pick the one that feels more comforting, and so, for many, picking the side of like oh well, palestinians are suffering. So therefore, this act of this literal crime against humanity somehow is justified. That feels so much better, feels it soothes the system. It actually releases dopamine to be like okay, I don't have to hold that tension within my body. And same thing for Jews and Israelis, for them to fully say well, just, you know, we'll ignore all of the things that the government has done that are harmful, or maybe some acts that they are taking that are unnecessary, that again, I'm not gonna speak to that because I feel like I have a lot of opinions on there that maybe people don't agree with. You know, maybe they are taking some actions that could be different if the trauma wasn't there and the arrangement wasn't there, and things like that. 

That feels like conflicting truths, but they're really not on either side, because both things can just be true. Someone can feel deep grief and pain for the loss of people they loved and at the same time, their government might be doing things that they don't agree with. Both are true. That does not justify the acts, by the way, at all. It just means both are true. And there can be people who are undergoing great suffering and their government is a fucking terrorist Organization that is leading to their suffering. And both are just true. In fact, all of those things are all true. 

And so now imagine we're talking to people on one side can't even hold to kind of like the two truths of their like quote-unquote Side. Now you're talking about them holding all the truths of all sides, like that becomes so impossible in the nervous system where it feels impossible when we don't have the capacity to do that and to now bring that in. It's such a big global level Becomes. Oh my gosh, it shuts people down. And now to bring things even more so, I want to bring it back to pain, because I know I got a little off there, but whatever is that, you are now also bringing in extra layers of deep rooted Ancestral and generational trauma that is being lit up in the nervous system. So now there's already just the discomfort of the uncomfortable truths, not to mention just the enormity of emotion and pain of the situation in general, and now it is lighting up Deep nervous system patterns that have been, you know, held in the DNA On a cellular level, and so people then want that that is coming up. 

And this is, you know, one of the things for me that I was really working on is noticing how many deep old patterns were lit up and that ability to see that those were old, ancestral patterns and not Actually my real-time reaction to what was happening, even though it felt like my real-time reaction to what was happening. Right To be able to just have that step back and that awareness was just the biggest massive game changer. And there's no way I would not have been able to do that in this situation had I not literally been working on the ability to do that for the past couple years with this specific like literally, with this specific issue, because I'm sure most by now listening, if you've been listening and you know, I'm Jewish. My grandma was a Holocaust survivor. My grandpa escaped from a concentration camp. Both of my parents fled Czechoslovakia when the Russians invaded. Like I am massive ancestral trauma in my lineage and I'm still leaving a lot of it out. So it's like to say that these are deep rooted patterns, are very Accurate and very also recent patterns. They're not like way far back when these are literally of my parents and my grandparents. 

So I have been working with these issues for quite some time, or working with these patterns and so being able to have a step back to see that my nervous systems reactions, the deep threat, the Inflammatory like feeling that would come up when I would like read a post that you know said something that felt literally threatening to me but I could see, okay, it's not Me, I am safe in my home right now and I can just like be in here and I am safe in here was such a huge, huge level of healing. That was Kind of cool to see. And so let me bring it back again because I know I'm digressing a little bit with you know the current issues and some of my Opinions on it and things like that, but I really want to bring this back Because what we are seeing is such a massive rise in this black and white thinking and the inability to hold multiple truths, and I don't feel like it's an over. Maybe it is. Maybe it's very dramatic to say like that literally will be like the demise of our Society if we cannot figure out how to hold multiple truths at once, because it creates so much divisiveness, it creates so much conflict, it Severs connections, it severs empathy and it leads to so much unsafety. So let's back up and be like okay, so why, why do people love this black and white thinking? Like, why do we default to that? Because this is always my Questioning, because I noticed myself I default to it too. Again, this is not some like oh, I never do this thing. No, absolutely, and this is why I'm pointing this out, because when you can notice it, when you can be aware of it, it's only then that you can do something about it and choose something different, which goes back to the beginning of you can choose growth when you're noticing something right, when you. You can choose to grow or you can choose to let something shrink you. 

Personally, I think black and white thinking provides a ton of comfort, that it soothes our you know brains. Research shows dopamine is released when we hear something that just supports what we already believe like. Our brains are so wired to do that. And when we hear something that conflicts, it releases cortisol, it releases that stress hormone. So no wonder we don't like it. Okay, so again, it's not some like personal flaw that you default to black and white thinking. All brains will do this and Now that you know that, it does become your responsibility to shift out of it because it will help you grow and thrive. 

I think, as humans, we love certainty, we love to know what's happening next, we love to know the right answer to something, and I think this has been something that, with social media, with the internet, has become so much more pronounced. We are so used to being able to just look up the answer to something and get soothed when we can Feel that answer right. There's like it's like a dopamine hit when you can be like, oh, oh, what was that thing? Oh, you know, it's like right back, remember back. I remember back when we were kids, because I'm I mean, I don't know how old everyone that here is listening to, but I didn't grow up with the internet when I was kid. I mean. I think it's like I remember in like fourth grade starting to sort of have access to it, but it's right, it's like you didn't have, you didn't have your phone on you or anything like that. So you're just trying to figure out like, oh, what movie was that from? Or like, oh, what's that restaurant we ate, you know? Or what's that? 

One random fact I learned in science. It's like you had to do work to look it up. You had to really challenge your brain to either remember something or you had to. Even looking it up at the internet required effort, because it was like where do I search it? It's like things just weren't so easy. Or I have to go look it up. And like the encyclopedias, I'm like what letter does it start with? Right, there was, there was effort that went into it and we were so used to that and Then that just disappeared. You didn't have to do that anymore. 

I can literally just shout at my you know Google thing, be like, hey, what's this thing? And it just tells me like there's like no thinking involved and our brains are always Going to love something that requires less energy. Because our brains are always going to want to conserve energy, because evolutionarily that made sense conserve energy, conserve energy. When's your next food coming in, right? We don't, didn't know that and our brains are still operating under that assumption, even though we have an abundance of food for probably most people listening to this podcast. You know that's obviously not true worldwide, right? So this black and white thinking is so energetically efficient and that we can now know that we can lean on it, whereas before we just didn't really have that option, like it Just wasn't a thing that you, we love it. Our brains are gonna want to default to that. 

And then, on top of it, we get the dopamine hit from getting the answer and then being soothed by knowing the answer, by not having ambiguity, by not having to have uncertainty. But then what happens when it's something that's like complex, really fucking complex, that doesn't have a right answer, like a situation happening in Israel, palestine? It's like if you're familiar with a trolley problem, if you're not looking up, I'm gonna make you do some work. Go look up Google the trolley problem. I mean, long story short there's no good answers here. Both options suck and we don't like that. We hate that. That is why, like what I want to bring in is that philosophers used to sit around I mean, I'm sure there's some that still do for like their entire lifetime studying, like the trolley problem, and they still. There's still no answer to it of what's the right path, and we don't like that. As humans, we just want to know what the right thing to do is and be done with it, and we have a really, really hard time holding that tension of there just might not be a right answer or a good answer. That feels so uncomfortable in the nervous system and let's bring it into something that's more like applicable to most people on a day-to-day basis. 

For many of my clients, one of their fears about going inwards to face their pain is because they know it's gonna lead to some of these uncomfortable truths and uncertainty. Deep down they know maybe the marriage they're in isn't working for them, maybe the career path that they've chosen isn't right. Maybe they're gonna have to finally have that conversation with their mom that felt you know they've been avoiding their entire life. Maybe they're just gonna have to face some uncomfortable truths about themselves and how they've been choosing to live or act. Or maybe it is something that they did that was wrong, or you know, quote unquote wrong in their life, or they made a bad choice. Because people make bad choices sometimes and it's something that they don't wanna face and so we ignore it. Right, it's easier to just be in denial, to keep ignoring it, but ultimately your body just keeps screaming louder and louder and louder and it can feel like taking the uncomfortable choice, or let's say it becomes about. Okay, I'm gonna have to have this uncomfortable conversation with my mom. That feels so uncomfortable. 

It's hard to remember that often, after we do the hard thing that is true for us things get so much better. Shit might fall apart first. In fact, for some of my clients, often when they're seeing me, they're already kind of in a life upheaval, but some of them do have a massive upheaval of their lives while we're working together. And then things are so much better because they face the hard decision, because they face the uncomfortable truth or the uncertainty of like, oh, what's gonna happen if I do that thing and, by the way, for pretty much everyone, I don't think I've ever had this not be true, the thing that they find to be so hard to do, the thing that feels impossible, is always a lot easier than they realize and goes a lot better than they realize. I'm not gonna say that's gonna be true all the time, but so far that has very much proven to be true for my clients, and a lot of it is because we do a lot of work around it first, which I think makes that possible, and we're building a resilience around it first. But anyways, I digress. 

For most of these situations, though, we don't know how it's gonna turn out. We don't know how that uncomfortable conversation with our spouse is gonna turn out or our mom is gonna turn out. It could lead to complete estrangement from that person, or it could lead to a strengthening of the relationship. We don't know. We don't know it could be something else entirely, and so we just don't like to do it because it's emotionally taxing, it is cognitively taxing, it is energetically taxing on the body to face that choice. But here is the reality is over time to not face that thing, to not hold that those uncomfortable truths, to continue to be in resistance and denial, is so massively taxing on an emotional level, on a physical level, on a life level, that I think if you did the math, if you could somehow really do the math to that, it's way less taxing to deal with a thing. It's just that one thing is more taxing in the short run. 

The other thing is chronically taxing. You know that if you're in chronic pain it is chronically taxing to be in pain. But often we don't wanna do the thing that would maybe actually get us out of pain because it requires more upfront energy, even though long term it requires way more energy to not do anything about it, and in fact you're kind of sacrificing your life to not do anything about it because, as you know, pain impacts our life. So this is why identifying where we're having this black and white thinking, where we're thinking things are just all or nothing like, either first XYZ must happen before I can look at my pain, or first I must get the certainty before I decide to do this hard thing, whatever the black and white thinking is for you, or first I might make X amount of money before I can invest in the coach that's gonna help me heal my chronic pain, which, ironically, once I do that, I will have way more energy, time, freedom to build a business that could bring me 10 times the amount of income. Right, I don't know what it is for you, but being willing to look at. 

Where are we just holding this cognitive bias, this black and white thinking this, not wanting to face an uncomfortable truth or bring in an uncomfortable truth? Where are we feeling like only one thing can be true and not the other, and really it might be both things that are true. There might be a part of your nervous system. This becomes true at a very deep personal level, as often there are parts of our nervous systems that are holding on to different truths. There's often a part of you if you're listening to this, I know there is a part of you that wants to be free from pain, that wants to thrive, that wants to do the deep inner work, and you're willing to do that. And at the same time, there is another part of you. There are two separate parts. 

I find this is a very helpful way to hold different truths on a personal level at least, is to be like. And then there is another part who is terrified of doing those things, who is terrified of turning inwards, who is terrified of making the investment, who is terrified of doing the deep inner work, who is terrified of taking the action that they know is right for them and they're thriving, and those parts will just continue to be a tension and conflict until we work with them. And often, once we work with them, once we both get to be heard and held and listened to with compassion, we get to then choose the path that serves us in the best of way. And so when we can all pause and take breaths and to hear different truths of different sides or people or parts or scenarios or from our body, and hear them all and see how they all might fit together, it's only then that we can take the next step forward, little by little, one thing at a time, and as a society. If we can work on that, we can work on the pausing and the reflecting and even just the noticing. Where black and white thinking is happening, where it is providing an emotional comfort or a certainty or it's soothing someone's viewpoint or nervous system, we can all step back and be more compassionate, more open and collectively come up with a way to help restore humanity, to help ensure that everybody is living in as peaceful of a situation as humans can live in, to help ensure that everybody has equal rights access to education and food and shelter and water and, beyond that, access to their own personal power, their own wisdom. Because I have to believe that when we can access our own wisdom, our wisdom always is holding truth and love and compassion, and it's just that accessing that part can be really, really hard sometimes and really challenging to choose that path. 

I recently heard someone say that if the path you're choosing feels easy, it's probably not right, and I used to reject that notion and the more I do this work, the more I think it's actually true. Ironically, I think there is more ease when you choose the path that is quote unquote right, and by right I mean aligned with your authentic wisdom. I am a big believer that there's no like right decisions or wrong decisions. They just lead to the next choice right, but one that is aligned. I think it is the harder path, but yet it has more ease. And again, that's one more uncomfortable truth, paradoxal truth, to hold in your system. And I'm gonna leave you with something to contemplate on, something to see how this all fits and where it feels supportive to you. 

And I wanna remind you too that I have now officially released my brand new pain response assessment. This assessment is proving to be so and so valuable, and if you can hear my cat meowing in the background, so it is. She just broke into my office and I'm gonna keep recording hey kitty. It is really helping people identify where they're feeling stuck on their pain journey and what the next step is to take. In a way, what I'm hearing is people have never looked at it this before. 

So often we are focusing on a different aspect of pain. This focuses on our pain response, which to me, holds so much massive gold as to what your nervous system is holding onto and what your nervous system needs to work through to help release pain and get you back to living a life that feels aligned and authentic and honestly better than a life that you ever dare to dream. So if you want to access that, go ahead and click the link in the show notes and you will get instant access to that. I can't wait to hear your results from that. All right, I'll see you next time. Bye. 

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